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Australian Degree
Posted: 09 August 2010 03:48 PM

Hi everyone,

I’m currently in my final year of my undergraduate degree, studying a BA in History and Philosophy.  My marks are quite good, it looks as though I will graduate with a weighted average mark of +70%.  However, my degree will be from an Australian University.  So, my questions are:

1.  Most GDLs require a 2.2 degree - the Australian honours system is different, for a three year undergrad degree honours is not awarded.  I would have to complete an extra year with a research thesis, and even then the degree classification is tougher.  Will not having an honours degree be a problem in getting a place on a GDL?

2. Will my having an Australian degree hinder my chances of getting a training contract?

3.  Any Aussies/Kiwis currently studying for the GDL and/or successfully gained a training contract? 

Thanks so much,
Noel

Beth (68 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 09 August 2010 05:27 PM

My undergraduate degree is from outside the UK, also with a different system. Many online forms (for the GDL, training contracts etc.) have a chance to give your classification as “other” and then write something to explain.

I don’t know what a 70% average means in the Australian system. Neither will potential recruiters. So you need to give some context. Can you come up with a rough equivalent to the UK degree structure? I was in the top 3% of my graduating class, so I say my degree is “equivalent to a UK first class honours degree”. I hesitate to mention Wikipedia, but they *do* have some information (drawn from universities like the London School of Economics) about international comparisons of degrees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_undergraduate_degree_classification#International_comparisons). It doesn’t explicitly mention Australia, but maybe some of the footnote links would be helpful?

I may be wrong, but I’m guessing that most UK law firms don’t have a lot of experience understanding how Australian degrees equate, so the more you can do to give them context, the better your propsects. I don’t think having an Australian degree would hinder your propsects per se, but you have to be able to sell it.

To get a place on the GDL, you will need to get SRA approval that your degree is equivalent to a UK undergrad degree (a “certificate of academic standing”). There is information about how to do this on the SRA website and when I did it in 2007, there was no charge for the service. I did nhave to send a certified copy of my degree certificate and academic transcript. If the SRA approve you, there should be no problem getting on the GDL.

Posted: 09 August 2010 11:39 PM

Hi Beth,

Thanks for your reply.  Marks in Australia, per subject, are divided into the following: pass (50-64%), credit (65-74%), distinction (75-84%) and high distinction (85%+).  For a BA, any grade between a top credit and a top distinction is considered a good grade, a high distinction is elitist. Whilst individual subjects are categorized, entire degrees are not so it’s hard to be certain with regards to marketing my degree.

A mark of 70%+ is usually what’s required for entrance to postgraduate courses, honours, and graduate law degrees. 

I will certainly inquire with the SRA.

Thanks again,
Noel

Posted: 19 March 2011 09:06 AM

I’ve been accepted into the College of Law in London.  What are my chances of gaining a Certificate of Academic Standing for my ordinary Australian degree?  Keeping in mind I have actually achieved decent grades.  Is anyone else in a similar boat to mine?

Posted: 13 April 2011 01:54 PM

I am in exactly the same boat (although I’d like to become a barrister, not solicitor), and it’s causing me quite a headache.
I also have an ‘ordinary’ Australian degree, PLUS a Grad Dip (in fact I’ve spent 7 years in higher education and have had a successful career in publishing for the last seven years). These two come under UK Naric bands 9 and 11 respectively. An honours degree is band 10.
I have also been accepted into College of Law London, City Law, and BPP. However, in my City Law offer, it said that I MUST have a Certificate of Academic Standing. I called the Bar Standards Board and they say that you must have an honours degree and that my post grad doesn’t count because it is not a degree qual. I’m tearing my hair out now because the deadline for accepting a place at law school is this Friday.
They are talking about finding a way to admit me on the course as a non-graduate, but I’m still unsure whether the BSB will accept this or not.
I believe that the SRA guidelines are not quite as strict (yet), but you should contact them directly. It would be awful to do all of that hard work on the GDL and then not be able to practise.
Also note that gaining an LLB via the GDL route is not acceptable to the BSB. A senior status or graduate entry LLB would be fine. So, two years instead of one.
By the time I’m ready to do pupillage, I will have spent 10 years at university.
RIDICULOUS
Any suggestions anyone??

Posted: 10 July 2011 02:14 PM

Apologies for the late reply! I’ve accepted my place on the GDL at the College of Law in Bloomsbury.  Tomorrow I will receive graduation confirmation and send of my details to the SRA.  I’m fairly confident that they will accept my application for a Certificate of Academic Standing.  I know that for the Barrister’s equivalent, they require a 2.2 (a real pain if your degree is from Australia, I know!) I’d recommend applying for a Certificate of Academic Standing anyway. Let me know how you go. 

If all else fails, the College of Law is introducing a new undergraduate LLB in 2012, which should be worth looking into.  It’s only a two year degree.

Keep in touch, hopefully we’ll be able to catch up for a coffee in London if we are both successful in our endeavours!

Noel

Posted: 03 August 2011 01:37 PM

PS received my Certificate of Academic Standing from the SRA… Am off to London in two weeks!

   
 
 
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