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Opening access are we?!
Posted: 22 October 2009 07:03 PM

Ha, you’ve been that keen our web team thought you were spamming! I can’t get enough of it though sir, keep up the good work (as long as you don’t start posting ‘Yes’ & ‘No’!).

Sean, what do you mean by QFT?!

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Sean (42 Posts) - Heavy User
Posted: 22 October 2009 07:10 PM

He was spamming lol. QFT = quoted for truth.
Reality is you have one high usage user making contributions of any real value (not me!), and that giving away prizes for the most posts just makes spam & short pointless messages that don’t quite qualify as spam inevitable.

Andr (162 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 22 October 2009 07:39 PM

Well most of my posts if you read them arent spam…they are actually related to the subject matter etc.

QFT also means Quit Fu*king Talking…

And sean maybe this is why they have two prizes…one for the most posts, and another for the best/most helpful reply…

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GetmeInn (15 Posts) - Forum User
Posted: 22 November 2009 02:48 PM

Thanks guy… but back to topic - I should just ignore what I have been reading and go for it?

I’m just afraid I’ll go so far and then think..oh God what an idiot - what was I thinking, I never had a chance.

Andr (162 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 22 November 2009 06:25 PM

If you feel as though you are going to regret something then its worth trying to say you tried and thus not to wonder what could have been.
Surely there is some good chances and thus not to worry too much anyways.

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Posted: 26 November 2009 02:35 PM

Lord Judge (current LCJ) I think does not have a sparkling university degree, not sure it is even a 2:1.

Widening access is a gradual process. Do not expect overnight success with a 3rd from Southampton Solent. I think it was 1928 when the first female was called to the Bar, we still haven’t had anyone who wears tights in their free time (in public at least) as Lord Chief so be patient about change. It will come (my money is on Hallett LJ) and it will be good for the profession, but we cannot and should not force “widening access” if it is at the expense of better candidates just because they are Oxbridge.

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Hopeful (82 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 18 January 2010 12:37 PM

There are always excpetions to the rule - just because it is only a small % that get to high-status legal jobs when they went to an ex-poly doesn’t make it impossible.

A statistic has limited use - if one person from an ex-poly makes it, then you can too, with the right grades and experince.

Posted: 12 May 2010 07:28 AM

I was not going to register until I saw the discussion about PUPILLAGE. As it is the Pupillage Pimp season I thought it may be of some use to those aspiring to the heady highs of becoming a pupil. 92 or the last 100 pupil places in the top sets in London went to Oxbridge graduates. It does not matter if you have a degree in flower arranging, nose picking or bicycle spokes as long as it says Oxford or Cambridge. Do not let Chambers tell you anything else they are all bias towards Oxbridge. The Bar Standards people know it, the Chambers know it, the Inns know it and every student certainly knows it. However it is not spoken about. It stinks of discrimination and nothing less. This however does not make the Chambers stronger but far weaker as they become like inbred animals. I have know of students with good 2.1 LLB degrees and good LLM from red bricks with loads of legal and non legal work experience and mooting experience with Very compliant BVC marks lose out to 2.1 in History from Oxford. I have seen it, I have seen the fight to give students with real potential a chance. My advice is if you want to be a Barrister play the game go to Oxford or Cambridge and waste 3 years of your life studying anything, do a BVC anywhere it does not matter. Then apply to chambers you will get pupillage. Do not expect the Bar Standards to help you , do not expect the Inns or Chambers to look at you favourably if you do not have an Oxbridge degree.

BVCbud (9 Posts) - New User
Posted: 12 May 2010 09:48 AM

92 out of 100… where did you pluck that figure from?

Posted: 14 May 2010 08:14 PM

BVCbud - quite easy really. Looked at the new pupils in each chambers over the last few years. Really easy as chambers are only too happy to post yet another Oxbridge graduate pupil. May I suggest some research on your part.

Posted: 25 November 2010 01:01 PM

I have just registered with this site and I am somewhat disappointed to read some of the cynical, uninformed rants about the prospects of a career at the Bar with the “wrong” university or less than a 2:1.
The last post by The Judge sums up what is obviously an enormous amount of misinformation about the profession and how one can get in.

In short it takes talent, hard work, intellectual rigour( and therefore academic success) and persistence. The perceptions about ex-polytechnics and comparisons with Oxbridge candidates is quite simply wrong.  Please look up the statistics collated for Inner Temple and presented as a graph in their prospectus and available on their website at http://www.innertemple.org.uk - I am sure there will be others out there as well.
  You will see that the classification of your degree is becoming increasingly important BUT that such talent is, increasingly, being actively recruited from post 1992 universities(ex polys)at around 24% of 2009/10 intake.  This is comparable to Russell Group Unis at 32%, other non-Russell group at just 15% and Oxbridge at 28% (approx).  In fact ex-poly pupils make up around 20-25% of the totals since 2005/6 and the Oxbridge intake has fallen in the same period from around 38% in 2005/6 to 28% in 2009/10.  Please also take a look at the profile, in the same prospectus, of pupil Nancy Marsh where you will see that a willingness to work hard at whatever you do and attempts to gather some life experience can stand you in good stead. ( All statistics sourced from http://www.innertemple.org/downloads/prospective-members/inner-temple-prospectus.pdf).

The issue is one of teasing out those with a less fortunate background and traditional support but, nevertheless, with buckets of intellectual talent, to use those talents; not recruiting anybody who wants to “give it a try” regardless of their academic efforts on the basis that it is “not fair”. May I therefore also direct you to the Bar Council website where you will find a copy of the Neuberger Report on Entry to the Bar and their discussion therein.(http://www.barcouncil.org/news/TheEntrytoTheBarWorkingPartyFinalReport/ )
Dear Judge - may I respectfully suggest some more rigorous research on YOUR part.

   
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