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As long as I get good grades, does it matter which one I choose?!
Posted: 05 October 2009 07:43 PM

I’m soon to be looking at the various universities for the LLB but I’ve got no idea on the prestige of each. I’d be pretty keen to stay fairly local (London) but I’ve noticed there seems to be quite a bit of snobbery to certain institutions over others.

Will eventual firms take the same view if I go to what is termed a poor uni?

GetmeInn (15 Posts) - Forum User
Posted: 06 October 2009 09:51 PM

Make sure you pick a good one if you’re looking to eventually work at a top firm or chamber. Despite what you might read they definitely give preference to the top 20 unis so choose carefully!

BVCbud (9 Posts) - New User
Posted: 06 October 2009 10:29 PM

Completely agree, GetmeInn. For example, if you’re hunting a pupillage at the end of it a nice sounding Uni name will certainly help your cause.

Posted: 07 October 2009 08:17 PM

The uni name does matter but if you nail a first for example, you’ll be fine. Have you got any ideas which unis you’re thinking of?

Posted: 20 October 2009 04:11 PM

I’d definitely have to disagree there ‘Pleasetakemeon’, students at the poorer unis will struggle against a student with 2.1 from a top ten compared to a chap with a first at a bottom ten.

Considering firms still look at UCAS points and they’re often dictated to by a partner’s preference to their old uni (at least with the big city boys) then I’d strongly suggest a top uni.

If you can’t get in, I’d seriously consider either doing re-takes at A-level of consider a non-law degree and then convert

Sean (42 Posts) - Heavy User
Posted: 20 October 2009 06:25 PM

It completely matters.
Some law firms actually use a ranking system of their own devising e.g. 2:1 Oxford 500 points, 2:1 Portsmouth 350 points 1:1 Portsmouth 490 points etc (just made up examples).
Anyone who says it doesnt matter is lying or misguided. It shouldn’t be like this I agree - all LLBs are accredited, but that’s the way it is.

Andr (162 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 20 October 2009 09:42 PM

I would love to say it does not matter, especially due to my own choice. However, I am not 100% certain i wish to actively practice and therefore is a little less dependent on my choice of university.

As above really although they are accredited and a 1st is a 1st.
But consider this:
You are a barrister and have two applications on your desk both are near enough identical in all work and classifications, but one went to Oxbridge (Oxford or Cambridge) and another from Coventry (I’m studying there!) what on face value would you choose?

Exactly…pretentio? Probably…but that is the way I believe it works.

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Sean (42 Posts) - Heavy User
Posted: 20 October 2009 10:08 PM

^ That plus they check your electronic footprint Mr Misc of Hotdeals raspberry

Andr (162 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 20 October 2009 10:14 PM

Scary Mary’s…

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GetmeInn (15 Posts) - Forum User
Posted: 22 November 2009 02:52 PM

@Sean

How do you know they use that system? Do you know where different uni’s rank - I mean it makes sense but it seems a little unfair.

Also, what do you mean about checking your electronic footprint?

Thanks.

Andr (162 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 22 November 2009 06:23 PM

@GetmeInn

By E-Footprint he is referring to my usage of a certain specified website…

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Posted: 24 November 2009 04:51 PM

It would be an ideal world if any degree was good enough, but when there’s so much competition, the best universities will always stand out from the crowd. I’m currently at the begining of year 12 but i’m already worrying about where to choose. If I was accepted into camebridge there would be no doubt in the world that I would take a place there over another uni, although their policy on jobs is rather extreme!! I’m also interested in UCL and Cardiff. Any guidence would be gladly accepted. I’ve wanted to become a barrister since i was seven smile I’m doing English Literature, Welsh, Maths, Further Maths and Music for A level, any tips for when the going gets tough?? xx

Posted: 25 November 2009 09:56 AM

Thanks for the advice everyone! So the conclusion is your university really will matter when it comes to seeking employment at a top law firm? Also, Sean, how have you worked out those figures for the unis you mentioned?

jermstar (51 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 14 January 2010 02:04 AM

@ ConversionKing

A 1st is always better. It means you top the top 5% or so of your cohort. it shows something.

Beth (68 Posts) - Power User
Posted: 14 January 2010 12:14 PM

@jermstar

But top 5% of what? Being at the top of a cohort at a not very impressive uni is probably not as impressive as being in the top half of the cohort at a more impressive university.

Sad to say, but a first from a “bottom 10” university is going to look a lot less impressive than a 2.1 from a “top 10” uni. Anyone who says that it doesn’t matter where you go to uni as long as you get a first is kidding themselves. Yes, you should still try to do your best, but if you want a career in a City/large national law firm or the bar, you’re better off taking a year out to re-sit your A-levels than going to a second rate uni knowing that you can get a first there.

Smaller regional firms will look more kindly on local graduates from all unis (including ex-polys) but higher profile employers do not see all universities as being the same.

I’m originally from the US where colleges and universities don’t try to kid themselves that they’re all equal. There are recognised (sometimes legally explicit) hierarchies of colleges and universities. In the UK these may be more subtle, but the Times rankings give a general sense of the order. And still people kid themselves that a first from East Nowheresville Ex-poly is equal in the eyes of the world to a first from Oxbridge. It isn’t. It’s probably not even equivalent to a 2.2 from Oxbridge.

When I was 17 and applying to universities I didn’t think name would matter. Now I regret that I didn’t at least apply to Harvard/Yale/etc. to see if I could get in. I went to a small, excellent college and got a great education. But no one in the UK has heard of it. It doesn’t have international name recognition, which is a hindrance to me now.

Posted: 15 January 2010 12:40 PM

I have it on very good authority that when it comes to applying for jobs in either firms or chambers it does matter what Uni you go to. I am due to start my LLB at the University of Birmingham in September.

I was actively encouraged to apply to top 10 unis as i was told that even though most firms or chambers say they don’t mind what uni you went to, they do and it does make a huge difference to them. When applying for jobs try and find out what uni the partners went to, a lot of them are very sympathetic to prospective employees that went to the same place as they did.

   
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