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Law Degree or Languages Degree?
Posted: 11 November 2009 05:34 PM

So I’m in Year 12 now and since Year 10 I’ve always thought I’d apply to
read Law. I’ve geared my CV towards applying for Law, and I’ve got Extra
Curriculars relevant to it. But now I’ve thought that as Law is extremely
competitive, I might try and do a degree in another subject and then do a
GDL after in order to gain favour with City firms. (I’ve heard a 1st in a
non-law discipline from Oxbridge is much “better” than a 2:1 from another
Russell group uni in Law.)

Advs of Languages:
I’m good at German and Mandarin Chinese
I studied French for 9 years (before dropping it for GCSE )
I love languages
Less competitive (better than 2:1 ratio at some Cambridge colleges)

Disadvs of Languages:
The extra year abroad would mean I spend 4 years at uni plus another year
during GDL = at least 5 years before I start my career. That’s the main
reason putting me off Languages.


Advs of Law:
Less time studying means I can apply for jobs quicker (3/4 years as opposed
to 5)
Law is a very strong, well respected subject
I am very interested in the subject

Disadvs of Law:
Very competitive (16:1 at some Universities). That’s the main reason I
don’t want to apply to Law.

My ECs are, as I said, geared towards Law, and by the time I will apply I
will have:
Grade 8 Gold Medal Public Speaking
Debating club/tournaments
Member of School Law Society
English Clinic Mentoring
Mandarin Chinese Grades 1-6
Volunteering at BHF
(as well as CCF, DoE, Young Enterprise, table tennis, badminton, guitar,
lifeguarding etc)

Hopefully I will have a place on either the Cambridge or Oxford Law
Conferences.

In terms of Work Experience, I’ve done a few mini-pupillages already and a
bit at a firm for Law.
This year I’m going on a work experience exchange to Germany, so that’ll
count as work experience for Languages, and if i can get a placement in a
firm, for Law as well.

My GCSE grades are only 4A*s 7As, so that’s my main reason for not applying
for Law. I’m studying History, English Literature, German and Physics (and
compulsory Critical Thinking AS) at A Level.

Ideally I would love to study Law and do a year in a foreign country
(Germany) on an Erasmus course, but also to have the pride of having a Law
degree under my belt. So I suppose my question is: Do I have a good enough
chance to apply for Law at a Top (5?) Uni, or should I play it safe and
apply for Languages at a top uni?

Also, would it be worth applying for Languages and then switching to Law?
How would I go about this?

Posted: 11 November 2009 11:51 PM

What about law with languages? Then you could do both smile

Posted: 11 November 2009 11:53 PM

Oh yeah, and only 4 A*‘s an 7 A’s? I got 3 A*‘s an 8 A’s and that isnt putting me off law… :/ why does that bother you?

Posted: 12 November 2009 10:21 PM

I read on the Churchill College website that they haven’t accepted anyone with fewer than 9A*s at GCSE in years. Source: http://www.chu.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduates/applying/courses/law/

Seeing as I’m aiming for a top law firm/set and a top Uni, I’m aware that I don’t have top grades.

And I have looked at Law with Languages but there are few qualifying Law degrees with this option and if it isn’t qualifying, then there was no point in me even having studied law in the first place as I’d have to convert afterwards anyway.

Posted: 12 November 2009 10:22 PM

Thanks for the input though :D

Posted: 13 November 2009 11:22 AM

Okay… bear in mind that Oxbridge aren’t the only top law universities. There’s LSE, UCL, KCL…
LSE’s view on GCSE grades:  Most have already achieved excellent GCSE grades including the majority at A* and A. The Law selectors consider not just the number of top GCSE grades that you have, but also your overall GCSE subject profile and regard the GCSE English Language grade, in particular, as a sound indicator of ability.
UCL’s view: It is a pre-requisite that applicants have grade B passes at GCSE Maths and English or international equivalent.


The top law firms, by that stage, are more interested in your level of degree and your a levels. For example, I got this off of the Clifford Chance website: You will be expected to meet or exceed our benchmark criteria, which for graduates means 320 UCAS points at A-level (or equivalent) and be on target for a 2:1 (or equivalent) degree result or higher.

With regards to there being ‘few’ qualifying law with language degrees:
UCL: M141 Law with French Law LLB 4 years
    M142 Law with German Law LLB 4 years
    M143 Law with Italian Law LLB 4 years
Bristol: LLB Law and French (UCAS course code MR11)/LLB Law and German (UCAS course code MR12).
Cardiff: Law and French (LLB), Law and German (LLB)

Theres plenty qualifying Law/Lang programmes around if you look for them. These, for example, are also all russel group universities.

Posted: 13 November 2009 04:02 PM

Those UCL degrees involve studying the law of another country, and to do that you need to be proficient in that language already. I was looking for a course that combined the study of a foreign language with British law, as opposed to foreign law and British law, like the ones you’ve shown me from Bristol and Cardiff. However, I was hoping to attend more a prestigious university such as UCL, Kings, Cambridge etc, not that I would mind attending those.

Regarding LSE, from people who’ve been there I’ve heard they are even bigger GCSE Nazis than Oxford and Cambridge and it’s an informal “requirement” to have 7+ A*s to study the more competitive courses, in particular, Law and Economics etc.

I’ve done my research and even though CC only REQUIRE 320 points etc, I know they EXPECT much higher. Similarly, most universities REQUIRE AAB-A*AA for Law, yet will also expect realistic candidates to have much more than just A-Levels, eg work experience, passion for the subject etc.

But we are digressing slightly from my question haha, which was whether I should choose a solely Languages degree as it is less competitive, or do I have a more than reasonable chance of getting a place for a solely Law degree at a top 5 uni?

Posted: 13 November 2009 06:04 PM

As far as I know and LLB is english law, and if it meant the law of another country the degree would be titled Law with French Law/ Law with European or International Law rather than Law with French..
Bristol is regarded as a top university, it is in the top numbers on the league tables (not that your choice should be based soleley on these).

The people I have spoken to regarding LSE, seem to contradict what you have said about the GCSE issue- for example, my best friends sister has gone there this year to do law with 2 A*‘s and 9 A’s..

AAA is what you need to be aiming for A Level wise, although with the introduction of the new A* that needs to be thought about to, I know cambridge have upped their offer to A*AA. And of course you are right about it not being all academic, work experience, reading Law supplement of the times etc..

Back to the question! I personally think that to do a lang degree and then convert it would be a mistake. It isn’t necessarily less competetive, as jobs requiring languages are becoming more and more popular, and you would need to do really well in the A Level of that language. A conversion would teach you the law you needed to know but in my own opinion from all my research, a Law degree would be better, either with a language as I earlier suggested, or a straight law degree (many of which also offer languages modules).

Law is, granted, very competetive, but if you have a CV (and PS) geared towards Law, work experience, ace an interview and do really well in your A Levels (and bear in mind, your options are very good, not like one person I know who chose Accounting, Business, Law and Media- All ‘soft’ subjects on LSE’s list!) I see no reason why you should not be able to do a straight law degree.

Posted: 15 November 2009 11:26 AM

That gives me new hope then haha

Thanks a lot for your advice Vicky

   
 
 
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